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Dave Weiner of Secure-Measures LLC talks with the GunGuy about disaster preparedness EPISODE 49
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Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. It’s time for the gun guide. TV podcast this is Joel persinger. I’m the gun guy. Thank you very much for listening to gun Guy TV and watching gun guy TV on youtube and all the things that you do. I’m very very grateful if it weren’t for you. I wouldn’t have have a podcast or youtube channel or any of those things so. I’m really grateful for all that you do. I do WANNA encourage you to support gun guy. TV and the Audio podcast wherever and whenever you can as you may or may not know being on Youtube as a gun channel can get more challenging by the day a few years ago they were trying to shut down youtube channels that focused on on firearms altogether and once you know facebook ended up in front of Congress they stopped doing that at Youtube but now what they’re doing is just demonetarizing videos all over the place and lately I I think I’ve had I think thirty t monetize so one way or the other they’re trying to get you off the platform by either shoving you off or taking away the money that you’re making but if you can support us every dime that you throw at US would be great this couple as you can do that one of which is join us on Patriots because today on this podcast I’ll be talking with Dave winer who’s Brid close friend about various aspects of security. This is going to be an interesting thing for you. We’re GONNA talk about natural disasters among other things and in the second part of the podcast which is not syndicated and is available only on Patriot on. I’m going to discuss weather pistol. Caliber carbines really have a niche place in American American Society for self defense. They’re popular. I get it but do they really belong so we’ll talk about that and see what your opinion is. In the second part of the podcast the the first part you can hear hear syndicated all over the place the second part you’re GonNa only here on patriotic so I urge you to join us there. There is a link on our website at gun guy. Dot TV all right. I have Dave Winer with me. WHO’s a longtime friend. Davis spent years insecurities been a police officer forever and a day he was security director golden NASA Goldstone for awhile while he’s been a chief of police at two different police departments he’s been a cop since three days before dirt before that he was evaluate over here giggling before that he was a he’s been a he’s a military veteran been around a long time and since he is retired now as a chief of police he started a new company called secure measures and is is doing a lot of security assessments and those kind of things and I don’t know anybody more equipped and more experienced to do that. so. I’m grateful you came to the show. Thanks for coming today. Thanks for having me. I appreciate being in here. It is absolutely my pleasure so we’ve been sitting in the other room talking about what we’re GonNa talk about absolutely and we talked about a few things most is notably one of the things that you’ve done for us recently for my churches you’ve done some assessments and we talked about the need to be prepared for emergencies and that kind of stuff stop that you know a second amendment people tend to be pressed to some degree some of them whether they’re moderate pressure whether they’re going batty. I mean it just depends but if we were to to talk about that a little bit more what would you what would you say would be important for an individual and what would you say it would be important for an organization whether it’s a company or a faith based organization to prepare for things like natural disasters and we’re in California. I mean we’re in earthquake country and wildfire country out here starting off with individuals. I think some some things are going to be very intuitive. food water medication those those type things extra clothing that type of stuff enough however the things that may not be sometimes intuitive are insuring that you have all of your documents document more importantly important documents leg health documents mortgage documents insurance cards copies of all those things putting those things in fireproof safe. many of us have pets you know. I have four dogs. YOU WANNA make sure that you have enough medication or equipment or types of dog food that your dog eats because I promise miss you that after a major natural disaster such as a large earthquake you’re not going to be able to go to the store and pick up what you need so you. There’s also I think the consideration of your your pet needs water capsule. When you’re calculating how much water you need for your family. You have to calculate that pet because they need water to without it. They don’t survive either sure absolutely and you know for you know switching gears into businesses companies and things of that nature having a plan a business continuity. Eddie plan making sure that you’re able to continue on the business most disasters will disrupt your business for at least in the short term but as a business us or a company or corporation you still have the need to make money which means that your business needs to continue so you need to find ways to do that. Building a continuity plan plan into everything you do and I I really firmly believe that business continuity starts with preparedness and making sure that you have everything in place that you need in order to continue doing.
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What can you give me an example so take a you know any any business that you worked with what what would be an example of what a business might need to do or prepare for so if you deliver manufacturer products. I’ll use that as a as a very lucid example of preparedness your you if you have a product that you manufacture that requires parts from different places in men. Maybe you assemble them and maybe ship them out. While you’re suppliers you know in one region or country or region of the state or region of of another country. Maybe out of commission you need you need to ensure or that. You have multiple sources who are going to be able to deliver under all different kinds of conditions. I know that a lot of county. Tony instate agencies now include in some of their contractual paperwork that you have the ability to develop to deliver goods and services this during emergencies natural disasters which is sort of ensuring that they’re still going to have service delivery of whatever services that that you may be providing to the county or city now. If you’re an online you know you know my wife I on an online company. I’m very dependent upon not just the ability for you to have the power but also the connectivity to the Internet and those Internet providers connectivity to whoever your your customers are still if you’re regional or your your local and your online and the local goes down. You’re kind of done I mean. I don’t know a way to get around that however on the other hand if your local if you’re if you’re like like uh-huh you’re statewide and something goes wrong in one part of the state then it’s more you guaranteeing you have connectivity in some fashion because your customers in the rest of the state certainly do you can’t allow yourself to go down so that’s an exercise in satellite communications and other ways to be able to do the things that you need to do on the Internet it to maintain that company and have communications and that’s not as inexpensive or easy as it sounds it it takes some forethought and planning and budgeting absolutely every company should have some type of communications plan and that can involve everything from satellite phones like you mentioned to things like runners the the old days as of you know the Pony Express is is not too far fetched in a disaster to be quite frank. We’ve become very as a society we become very dependent on all these electronic modes of communication and you’re. GonNa have to revert back to some more basic types of communications such as you know a runner honor carrying things by hand and delivering certain things in order to get around that now I know in some cases most people haven’t experienced experience the disaster of major magnitudes where that would be necessary yet and that’s why yeah keyword yet attached again living in California. The specter of an earthquake is always a potentially possible and it does happen every so often we have smaller ones but a but most people say that a larger one is due and it will eventually hit us and you know the idea of being prepared heard shouldn’t shouldn’t go on thought about now we talk about speaking of being prepared one of the things that you and I talked about with somebody should have a bug out bag and and that’s a that’s a very common term here in the prepping world and certainly Second Amendment folks think about bug out bags but one of the things that get that I so you know we’re talking about. Is that you you Kinda. WanNa have a bug in bag as well because a lot of times especially. If you work for a living and you may you may work on the other end of town and you may be in a position where you can shelter in place but you gotta get there and the meantime the roads could be out or there could be some obstruction. It may take you longer to get back to your home then you. You’re going to need a little extra water. You’re going to need some. What kind of things would you would you keep in your vehicle to make that more likely likely in at least a more pleasant experience to the degree that it can be. I think having water definitely at least a two to three day a supply of water depending on where you work. A lot of people do commute very far away from their home so you really have to think about. Are you going to be able to actually get back to where you you need to be in that amount of time. It may be possible may not be possible. food water again medication some medical supplies. You don’t have to go too overboard with that. I would suggest maybe some battery operated lanterns. I always propose an extra batteries of course I always propose those verses. candle scandals are good. The candles can also start additional fires. If there’s a tremor an aftershock so something that’s not going to cause more more harm than good and then just making sure that you have you know we just talked about communications going out while at the very basic families don’t have have satellite phones and they don’t have for the most part right so they depend on cellular phones.
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It’s likely that communications will be knocked out at least in the short term have a plan to the meet your family somewhere at a specified time and then have a plan to wait there for a specified time if you’re able to but always have a secondary place place in case that first place you’re on either unable to get to or is unable to be utilized in that case always have a plan always have written down and make sure your entire family no matter how larger family is everybody knows what the plan is and how to get there. You know it’s interesting thing talking about communications to because I’m a ham ham radio so even I’ve talked to a lot of people who will get into HAM radio specifically for emergency communications with their family in the case of an emergency what they don’t realize though is that there’s I react. There’s all these different organizations that are going to jump in there. They’re going to be on those. Repeaters are going to be on those radios. There’s going to be a tremendous amount of traffic and it’s not gonNA be as easy Z. Once there’s huge emergency when all everybody wants to get out their little handheld and jump on that repeater because the little hand held the only way you’re talking to anybody more or than a quarter of a mile away with any reliability is off of that repeater. Everybody wants to be on at the same time. It’s not as simple a backup communication option as you might think so those are things that need to be thought about to the more people that get into ham radio right now. I was talking to somebody the other day. A lot of folks are doing it specifically for this reason which is awesome and I’m glad they are but it also then means. There’s going to be a tremendous amount of traffic there and they’ve got to be prepared for the fact that it’s not going to be like a cell phone where you can just jump on that radio blurred out your costs have space on the channel and be able to get a hold of somebody. It’s not gonNA be as easy easy as a think. They’re going to require patients and it’s not gonna be as in immediately reliable it. It’s GONNA help but it’s not you know if you don’t have that backup plan like you’re talking about it if we can’t communicate and here’s our point here’s our media. Here’s our first meeting point. Here’s our second one. If that doesn’t work here’s our third one and so on. It’s it’s very interesting you mentioned the the ham radio piece because as part of our continuity plan for a hospital system that I worked with that was part of our emergency. Operations rations plan was bringing in disaster communications in the form of Ham radio and that’s another thing that people who own ham radios just singularly annually at home they also need to understand that emergency first responders may also be taking up a lot of those airwaves trying to assemble or trying to communicate with other first responders and trying to coordinate a response in case all the other major communication modes are down so that’s something else they may want to think about using that very sparingly sparingly if you will because again first responders that is built into some first responders programs well actually the various react groups. Are there specifically to help bout with first responders and get them where this to go. Let me we’re GONNA take a real obvious profit break here. This is nothing but a mercenary thing. I WanNa talk to you about one of our sponsors which is actually are number one sponsor because I own it and that’s practical defense systems practical defense systems is a great company. I can say that because I you know along with business partner built at eleven years years ago. We trained security officers throughout the state of California so you’re if you’re interested at all and getting into the security business I urge you to check out practical defense systems you can find us at a PDF classes dot com or practical defense systems dot com check it out. You’re listening to the good night. TV podcast please please pay no attention to the man behind the curtain all right. I’m here talking with both Dave Winer from secure measures about host of things most notably right now natural disasters and how to prepare for them. Dave you’ve lived through a major fire close to your house. I’ve lived through to here in San Diego. The Laguna fire years person years ago back in the seventies of Cedar Fire More recently ten years fifteen years ago something like that but when you’re looking at a natural disaster like that and you’re going to bug out. Do you need to think about where you’re bugging out too yeah. I think that’s definitely important giving here obviously in California there’s a major earthquake in the Los Angeles area that could also translate all the way up to the bay area. There may be damaged from all the way from northern California to southern California so you should really be looking at places that you’re able to go to if you have family out of state that may always be profitable depending on how large the disastrous Astra’s but you’re not gonNa know that until those damage assessments and those news reports and a lot of other things start rolling in you’re not going to know that but I I firmly family believe when being prepared better be safe than sorry and it’s better to go to your your aunt’s house in Phoenix to stage for a little awhile until people can figure out really what’s happening because right after a disaster.
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There’s a lot of confusion. There’s a lot of misinformation. There’s a lot of things that you’re not. GonNa know right off the bat your neighborhood as as an example your neighborhood here may look fine. You know at first glance but there may be gas leaks. There may be fires burning. There may be water main breaks or maybe a lot of thing infrastructure that has been damaged that you’re not really going to know about and there’s going to be known time when any of that stuff is going to be re fixed repaired any of that stuff their first responders are always going to be dealing with the most serious of issues and most so those things have to do with fires collapsed buildings things of that nature they generally tell us to be prepared with three days of water and three days of food but but I have and you have witnessed situations where this stuff goes on for a week two weeks a month where the the infrastructure because the the disaster was so bad and there were so a widespread devastating damage to the infrastructure that it cannot and not be repaired and restored in that period of time now. You’re in a situation where you’re running out of food. You’re running out or you have run out of food. You have run out of water. It seems to me that really if you really WANNA be prepared. Three days is really just not enough. Wouldn’t you say there. There’s some an absolutely I I. I wouldn’t disagree with that there. I think there’s some folks out there that are rethinking that given that whether you whether you believe or don’t believe in climate change the reality is is that natural disasters like hurricanes tornadoes have actually gotten much stronger over time and have caused more widespread damage and that being said that means powers could be out for weeks water systems could be down for weeks so ensuring that you have a stockpile and I think the general rule of thumb thumb. Is You know seventy seventy to ninety six hours worth of food water will get you to a point where you can then assess us where you need to go next. I think that’s that’s. That’s probably a good because if you’re in an area that’s been decimated pretty badly. You’re not gonNA WANNA. Stay either so you at least want to have enough to get out of the area into a better place. How important is it for example. My wife and I have been part of the same church now for twenty seven years and and as you know because you just did vulnerability assessments for every location we have one of our major concerns right now is preparing for this kind of stuff as a church so we can take take care of our members and we can also continue to operate as a church. How important is it to be a part of an organization initiation of some kind. I mean whether it’s a faith based organization Church Synagogue Mosque or whatever or whether it’s just part of a club like your local Ham Radio Club. I’m you you know I happen to be a member of a HAM radio. Clever whatever your member of how important is that. If you happen to find yourself in the middle of natural disaster I think it’s actually very important because some people may for lack of a better term. Get it worse than others. you know you may have some members of the faith based organization. Where are you know ten or twelve them their houses collapsed but then you have another section of the congregation whose houses are in perfect condition and nothing happened to him. It’s really going to be location creation. They can then potentially take in some of those families and at least give them shelter and share some of the food and make sure that you know people are okay from a health standpoint it and things like that so it’s really good to be part of an organization because then you’re not really out there on your own. You actually have other people checking on you. which I think is really really important especially during a disaster you know I know in my neighborhood? You know I’m fairly fairly close with some of our neighbors so I know if there is a natural disaster. We’re going to be checking on one another to make sure everybody’s buddies okay if not I know everybody’s willing to pitch in a hand to kind of help each other out. I’m going to voice an opinion here. That’s probably going to rile some people and if you listen to my show. Oh you know it’s not the first time and it probably won’t be the last one you know Dave. You and I were talking about the fact that sometimes in the Second Amendment community. There are folks that go immediately me too. I’M GONNA put on my tactical gear and I’m going to grab my tactical this tactical that and my bug out bag which includes seventeen firearms and my arm or my helmet knowledge also their stuff and then I’m ready for anything so I want to get your view on this but before I do and I let the genie out of the bottle here. I’ll just relate to experiences.
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We had the San Diego. It wasn’t a Sandia Southern California blackout that happened a few years ago where somebody in the Phoenix area whatever at a at a substation substation made a boo-boo and FRY substation power substation and it shut down the power in three states basically and and the entire county of San Diego Oh part of Los Angeles county part of Orange County part of Arizona and the of course they came on the news and said well. This could go on for at you know at least three days I didn’t it went on for nine or ten hours but it could go on for at least days well immediately. We went across the street to check on her neighbors. Make sure they’re okay. I went next door to talk to Tom. Who’s since is passed away. He was ninety two years old at the time fisherman. Italian fishermen is name of Gaetano but he went by Tom and of course I know. His daughters got three daughters but they live way on the other end of town into into the county. I mean that’s so somebody’s gotTA check on Tom. Do we go next door to check on Tom and sure enough. She’s got no power I mean. We have a generator and a transfer box and plugging the generator. Take us off the grid crank up the generator lights up. He didn’t have that so I got up in the attic in the garage and I took we took him a lantern for every room we brought him dinner and as we’re leaving after we brought him dinner and he’s thanking. US profusely here comes the Gal from across the street who’s a friend of ours and by the member of our church and she’s coming over for dinner for Tom. Tom Eight better that day than he did. Before the power went out another example might my sister lives in in Florida and ride around the area where she he lives. We have a church off there and the guy who now runs hope worldwide which is was started by our churches gentleman named Robert Robert Career and Robert was the evangelists for the Church and hurricane hit and they had no communications for anybody in the church they had one brother who had a really serious four wheel drive like that big orange monster out they’re yellow and full tank of gas and extra gas so he and Robert got in the truck and they drove over the trees and whatever they needed to do to run around and check on everybody and what they they founded some folks we’re in good shape and some folks are houses had been destroyed and they were able to put these families together. The first concern was about helping each other not about defending themselves against each other curious what your thoughts are well. I think first and foremost being a human being and and caring for others and checking non folks especially if you’re tight with your neighbors I know after natural disaster and and we’ve seen some cases where looting rioting you know we saw this after Katrina in New Orleans. That shouldn’t be your first thought that can be a concern which is why it’s so is wise to also have actual funds like cash in your house is not an over in exorbitant amount but enough that may get you by all the point of sale sale computers will be down you’re. You’re not going to be able to use your your credit. Cards your debit cards or anything like that. so the the idea idea there is is go. Check on your neighbors for SCO. Chuck on folks and make sure that everybody’s okay at least in your immediate area That’s always going to be helpful. I always recommend to some people don’t think about this is taking. CPR First Aid basic CPR basic first aid basic add training you. You never know if you have elderly parents like I do as I do too. Mine are saying they’re in their eighty s you you know you may be required to care for them. They’re not going to be able to do. Maybe some of the things you might be able to do. Physically so you. WanNa make sure that you’re you’re at least taking you know there’s there’s another a close friend of mine posted something on Lincoln about the Stop the bleed campaign which is also a good training to take learning how to use a tourniquet that that may become necessary during a disaster and again a lot of these things may not be intuitive but these are things that just this conversation is really just to get people start thinking thinking about their own measurer preparedness the female takes the the community route as far as preparedness is concerned and that means that everybody buddy in the community no matter who you are. You’re responsible for preparedness activities. The more prepared you are as a citizen. The less likely you’re you’RE GONNA need first responder services and you know not to shatter anybody’s ego but just because you call nine one one after disaster doesn’t mean they’re coming right away saving the Second Amendment one episode at a time this is the Gun Guy TV pot okay so you’ve you’ve been police chief for two different department and for quite a while so now the question is and and and in the federal system as well so oh major disaster hits and I mean it’s a major disaster. How long does it take for FEMA to show or these government organizations show up and start providing water and food and like that to these folks that are stuck in this thing I mean.
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Are we talking days weeks. What what’s the process. And how long does it normally take. I would say it’s GonNa take several weeks to get any kind of assistance from Fema Federal Government Agencies I things have you have to be declared a natural disaster zone. They have to understand what’s happening. In the area they have to do assessments. They’re probably going to send an incident management teams to get a get kind of what what they call a common operating picture about what’s happening along with local first responders many fire departments and many people may not know this but many fire departments all across the country have mutual aid agreements with pretty much every other state so as you see. We were getting support for some of the some of the fires out here from as far away as Australia. We’re getting you know fire crews that were coming from other countries other states to help battle some of the wildland fires here in California so which is a good thing so we know we’re going to beginning mutual aid but it’s a matter of how soon can they get here and how sooner they’re going to be able to mitigate really what’s happening out there. and that’s really going to depend on how bad the disaster is how quickly they can mobilize resources and then of course how quickly they it can get them here and then just you know as a as an aside. There is training available for citizens. I mean there’s cert program. That’s done by your local the fire department generally which is outstanding actually because you learn how to do basic things like go. Check the gas. Go shut the gas off. You learn how to turn the gas off. You know you gotta Ask Yourself. Do I actually know how to go into the middle of the street and shut off the gas main and if you don’t know how to do that you might might WanNa know how to do that because it’s entirely possible that a gas line has been ruptured somewhere in somebody’s house and if you can’t shut it off. That’s a fire or an explosion looking for replace to happen basic things how to put on a tourniquet how to address wounds how to deal with bleeding. All those things are part of that program in addition to things like you said American Heart Association or or Red Cross. I basic first aid and that kind of stuff. That’s all stuff that you can do caution next to nothing and it allows you due to to help your neighbors as as a as a community effort something our church is getting involved in right now is trying to make sure that as many members as possible have this kind of training so that they can help their neighbors as well as their own family another good resource for individuals is ready dot GOV FEMA MMA. That’s that’s a site sponsored by FEMA and it really does cover a lot of the prepare things that we’re talking about today. There’s checklists and there’s forums and there’s suggestions and there’s there’s plenty of training out there too. It’s just people have to be proactive not reactive and and that’s what you see in a lot of cases is people are being reactive to these things and saying you know Oh. I had to leave my house. I didn’t have anything well then you technically weren’t prepared when you should have been and I would also say that if authorities are telling you to leave the ideas leave leave. There’s a reason they’re telling Belhadj Aleve. I I know people get very attached to personal possessions but at the end of the day the things that are important. Are People your family get them out of harm’s way way. Don’t stand your ground because you know I don’t WanNa lose my house while that may be a reality and hopefully you have insurance to cover those losses. I’m very attached guitar over there but I always buy another one exactly exactly guitar. I don’t have to play our problem. You know what I’m attached you as my wife and my kids and Charlie the dog gotta gotTa Get Charlie. He’s part of the family so that’s you’re exactly right. I that is exactly right and we mentioned that and I want to circle back to one thing and then unfortunately we need to wrap wrap up this part of the podcast but and that is the whole idea of firearms. Look it’s important I think for you to have the ability to defend yourself and defend your family and so so in no way or David I either because we both have owned firearms. Neither of US are saying don’t be prepared to defend yourself. I think the the key there is that it shouldn’t shouldn’t the first few days of natural disaster like that. That’s not when looting happens. I’ve lived through two riots. I was a kid in Los Angeles during the watch riots and I was actually working in Los Angeles during the Rodney King Riots so I’ve lived through two of these things and I can tell you that while looting occurs curve and when it does people become animals and they forget their humanity and they do horrible things it typically is not the first thing that happens during a design disaster astor both of those were riots that were caused by specific events not natural disasters when it came to earthquakes that have happened in California that I’ve lived through Davis lived through or the big fires looting something that happens days and days and days after the event not generally during it so the the thing to be doing immediately during it is taking care of your family taking care of your neighbors and be more concerned about the people around you then you are about worried about defending yourself against looters because guess what they’re doing.
00:30:19 – 00:32:14
They’re they’re trying to survive to at that moment. They’re not busy out looting. I think that’s something that happens. If down the road there’s thing goes on for days or weeks or whatever and I just wanted to mention too especially Ashley about businesses it said roughly. I want to say I think the latest statistics at seventy five percent of small businesses. We’ll we’ll go out of business following a natural disaster and in some cases that’s because they are not prepared to continue doing whatever they’re doing and and as a small business owner myself that can definitely be a challenge for any any business and I’ve heard some business business owners small business. US owners say well. You know a small business. I don’t have a lot of resources. You don’t need a lot of resources depending on the type of services that you offer so the idea is is you need to take a look at crafting. An emergency operations plan doing threaten has vulnerability assessment and looking at your risks and hazards and figuring out which ones are going to be likely which ones aren’t and then preparing against the ones that that will be dave winer from security measures. Thank thank you very much for coming on the show. I really appreciate it and we’re going to have to wrap this part of the podcast up here. If you’re listening to it on your favorite podcast player this is the part that that where we come to an end and if you’re unpatriotic wants you to stick with me because next I’m going to be talking about since we’re talking about guns and self defense pistol caliber carbines. Are they really all all they’re cracked up to be or are. They just really kind of a fad so we’ll talk about that. probably irritate a few people and I’m GonNa WanNa know what your opinion is so if you’re on Patria on stick with me if you’re listening to syndicated go join Patriot so you can hear the rest and one way or the other wherever you go whatever you do please be safe. You’ve been listening to the Gun GuyGuyTV podcast.